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my clothes come from supermarkets, not Selfridges, we need a new sofa and beds for the boys. We owe lots of money, but not as much as some people. We don't our own a home. We are skint, but I can afford the odd night out and cook a few nice meals. One day I will go back to earning dosh, and then we can do all that holidaying and house buying and clothes shopping that I now know is grossly overrated.
hurrah and amen, sistah! this might be my favouritest comment EVAH!
Sounds rather like us too.
Hey - don't worry, you're not alone. Even with two incomes, we're just chipping away at our debt, but it is going down. My parents were so careful with money and we've been so reckless. In the last few years, we've got so good at budgeting - a certain amount a week for shopping, a certain amount a month for going out etc. My going out budget is £100 for the month and if I don't spend it then I save it for buying clothes. It's amazing how (relatively) little we live on a month - huge chunks go on paying the mortgate and debt ... if only I knew then what I knew now, we wouldn't be in this mess. I'm definately teaching the children about the evils of credit though.

Even with two incomes and no children we hid the red every month. I have absolutely no idea how you guys manage! One day I will have to find out and so the boy and I are desperately clearing credit cards that consist of chinese meals that I ate when I was a student and too drunk/long ago to remember and bottles of champage from nightclubs when I was too dumb to realise that being 24 didn't last forever.

One of my pet gripes is that they never taught us to manage money in school, rather preferring for us to spend hours and hours on long useless sums that I have totally forgotten.

I didn't know whether to comment on this as I'm terribly afraid of coming over either a) smug or b) rich. But, although our income on paper is certainly good, our income once we've paid mortgage/tax/insurance/work-related-stuff is not as great as all that.....

When we first got married we lived in central London on (again after mortgage but not after other bills) a really genuinely tiny income. I was still a student and hubby working for a church at an income which now would be way less than the minimum wage. We didn't get a credit card and shopped at Kwiksave (8p a loaf of bread!) with cash and never went out (for 2 loooooong years; we even lost friends over that but our true friends understood where we were at financially and just agreed to come around for plates of baked potato and ratatouille) and once our cash for that month was gone we spent zero. Both of us were brought up viewing debt as the ultimate in evil and I guess it stuck.

As we've grown older we have had more income and also more expenses but we've never been in debt; we do have a credit card for ease of use but pay it off monthly; we save up for everything including cars and big things, we go shopping for the household incidentals when we can afford them. At the moment our sofas are disgusting - huge great stains over them, they were bought pre-children when we didn't understand that plain yellow non-washable covers were plain STUPID - but when we sat down and budgeted recently we realised that a) we couldn't afford new ones and b) there are things we are saving for that we want more in the future so we'll carry on with them for the timebeing.

I do feel that we are not living the lifestyle that loads of my contemporaries are - for example we haven't paid for a holiday for the past 5 years though we have been away with my parents; this year we are paying for flights to the US so I am working 4 evenings a month to pay for them - but I feel comfortable with the fact that we don't have the stress of being in debt. i don't even know if my friends are in debt but I certainly don't understand how they can afford holidays and new cars if they're not...

Does this sound smug? I really don't mean it to. I know I am lucky, I have a lovely house and I can afford to walk around tesco and put a vase in my trolley if I really want to or buy a frivolous bunch of flowers or bottles of wine (but that's because I won't buy things like magazines - if I started I would want to buy more - and I buy my kids' clothes from ebay) and I know that other people can't do that as that would push them more into debt.

I think one of my terrors of getting into debt is the nightmare of getting out again. I can't imagine how one does that. Also I should add that I do no financial things at all at home. hubby does them all - he's methodical and a planner, i'm chaotic and not a planner. Left to me we would have run up huge debts because I wouldn't look after things properly at all. So, although I feel strongly that his is the right way for us to live, left to myself I would not manage to keep us in this position. Often he will come to me and tell me I can't spend any more money till the end of the month...

Stopping now. ignore this if it sounds smug and irrelevant. i didn't mean it to....

geepeemum - I don't think that this sounds smug at all, infact I really appreciate the perspectives that you've shared. I think the way a person is brought up to understand debt and money is a huge factor, which you've shown, and that really motivates me to want to make sure my children understand these things. 3 years old isn't too young to learn that you have to choose which toy car to buy based on the pennies in your purse, not the one you most like the look of. But my instinct is not to do that - it's to splurge, splash out, 'treat' and rationalise away the consequences. Which is partly why we're in this boat. I think I'm adjusting to the realisation that we need to live much more like you guys did in the early days of your married life. I'm ok with that. Our debt is by no means crippling but it's there, and I don't want it to be, so I'm embracing doing what it takes to bring it down, bit by bit. I think the truth is it partly it gets my goat because of the bigger things it represents - ideas we believed in, decisions we felt were 'right' at the time, which now seem to have been misguided - I could say that all we have to show for 10 years of certain kinds of sacrifice is a pile of debt, and that's just disheartening on so many levels, tho I accept WE spent that money so the only person I can blame is US. this is turning into a whole extra blog post so i'll stop waffling but THANKS for commenting despite your hesitation.

daisy - i am sooo with you on the why-don't-they-teach-this-stuff-at-school thing. grrr. maybe you could pioneer an educational reform?

jando - i know you're right and i am embracing my inner budget-shopper. it's like dieting really. i look at a chocolate digestive and ask myself which i want more - the biscuit with the free extra thigh-dimple, or thinner thighs. same goes for spending now - do i want this book / pair of shoes / sirloin steak and the extra burden it will add to my efforts to get debt-free, or do i want to read the unread ones on my shelves / wear the ones that do just fine / eat beans on toast and see those numbers going down, down, down. easy!

Thanks hx. My instinctive behaviour pattern is also more on the treat side of things - my "language" is gifts and it definitely shows - and I'm very grateful, though I don't always feel it, for the other half in this partnership that is far far more disciplined and therefore makes me disciplined. I've been training as a budget counsellor recently and have learned some really useful things about proper budgeting. Excellent spreadsheets.... We used to record everything we spent; we no longer do so but we do have times (for say a couple of months) where we will draw up a chart so we can see where we are wasting money and see if there's any way of drawing back on it...
ps exellent point about the love languages thing - mine is gifts too and i've only just this moment realised how that manifests in my spending habits - eg i feel in need of cheering up so i 'treat' us to steak and wine despite knowing the cash isn't really there - helps to realise that's no treat at all in those circumstances, and to dream up other ways of indulging my 'language' - without spending money! or maybe it's just time to learn a new language!
I could be better at saving, we could be in less debt. We live for now, and I have moments where I panic, but mostly we enjoy on our means (or just above). The only thing we really need is better life insurance
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Again, I think we were separated at birth! This is our situation to a "T" and you are not alone. I heard something once on Dr. Laura, she told a caller that kids will not first remember if they were rich or poor growing up, but they will remember whether or not they felt loved. I try to remind myself of this when I'm concerned about buying brand name clothing or decorations for the house.

I totally relate to the need to get your spending under control so that you can model good money management to your kids. I do think that is important.

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